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Genesis

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CoC med Solar System i grunden? Nej, Shadows of Cthulhu (klicka på länken till höger) är baserat på True20. Det kan vara lösningen för folk som jag som gärna skulle vilja spela Lovecraftianskt, men tycker att BRP är för ålderdomligt, D20 för fel och Gumshoe för satan personifierat jag hatar det dö dö DÖ!*

Jag fick upp ögonen för det under senaste avsnittet av Atomic Array, där Russ Brown, skaparen av spelet, intervjuas**. Jag har dock aldrig använt True20, så jag har ingen aning om hur vettigt det här är. Ni som har koll på systemet, verkar det vettigt att anpassa det till Lovecraft? Och verkar konstruktörerna ha gjort ett bra jobb? Vissa saker, som att olika situationer och monster orsakar olika typer av galenskap, och att inkludera regler för att skumma igenom hemska böcker (som det verkar finnas en extensiv lista på) verkar onekligen vettigt. Men True20 är väl en version av D20? I intervjun betonar Brown väldigt mycket att spelet inte handlar om att få mer erfarenhet och bli bättre, så det verkar ju som om han har huvudet på rätt ställe. Men True20 är väl fortfarande en version av D20?

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* Snälla, bry er inte om att försvara spelet i den här tråden. Det är inte vad den är till för, och jag överdrev i vilket fall som helst. Gumshoe är bara inte min kopp te.

** Lyssna på intervjun. Lyssna på hela. Jag vill inte avslöja för mycket, men det är den bästa intervjun någonsin. Atomic Array är nu officiellt bäst.
 

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True20 är d20 som det borde ha gjorts: man tar typ d20 SRD, och sen kastar man ut typ allt utom John Wicks tes. Till och med attributen kastas ut (de där på skalan 3-18) och bara attributmodifikationerna är kvar (de på skalan -3 till +3 som räknas fram mha värdet på skalan 3-18 i en vanlig d20). Det blir inte särskilt mycket kvar, men det är hanterbart och enkelt.

Är det något som är till True20s nackdel så är det att det är en verktygslåda som behöver skruvas lite för att göra ett spel med. Men det har ju gjorts i förväg förr (Blue Rose var ju till exempel ursprunget till True20, och en del av exempelsettingsarna i boken har byggts ut med egna såsböcker till "riktiga" världar). Jag tvivlar inte på att det redan är färdigskruvat i Shadows of Cthulhu.

Men i grunden är True20 en lättviktig, simulationistisk d20. Om inte något radikalt har tillkommit så tycker jag inte att det är så stor skillnad på det och en lättviktig, simulationistisk BRP. Man lägger ihop färdighetsvärde och tärning och slår över svårighet, istället för att slå under färdighetsvärde minus svårighet. Typ. Så om inte något annat revolutionerande tillförs utöver att byta räknehåll och tärning så kan i alla fall jag lika gärna vara utan det.
 

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Okej. Då verkar det ju som om Shadows helt enkelt är en uppdaterad CoC med modernare tankesätt. För av det jag förstått av intervjun så är SoC mer genomtänkt än CoC. Kanske är värt att skaffa, då. PDF:en kostar ju tio dollar, så det kan det ju vara värt för att kolla in spelet i närmare detalj.
 

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Kom gärna med kommentarer sen! Letat alternativt system för Cthulhu ett tag men inget jag hittar känns optimalt...
 

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Googlade efter recensioner...:

Yog-Sothoth är kanske det främsta fan-forumet för allt med HP Lovecraft och rollspel. Hoppas inte följande kräver inloggning:
http://www.yog-sothoth.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=150908

En annan recension. Måhända av tveksamt värde, eftersom den är skriven av Green Ronins säljchef!
http://www.flamesrising.com/shadows-of-cthulhu-review/


(Själv föredrar jag den första av ett annat skäl: jag vill att mina Cthulhu-recensenter utgår från att något blir bra *trots* inte *tack vare* d20. Istället för recensenter som skriver "d20 låter dina spelare slippa lära sig nya regler".)
 

CapnZapp

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Här är annars Yogs recension brutalt klipp å klistrad:

So here is what you need to know about Shadows of Cthulhu: Cosmic Horror Adventure in the World of H.P. Lovecraft. It is a supplement, not a standalone RPG like Pelgrane Press’ Trail of Cthulhu, so will need the core rulebook. Not Call of Cthulhu, but True20 Adventure Roleplaying, Green Ronin Publishing’s streamlined and elegant evolution of the d20 System or Dungeons & Dragons Third Edition. So in sense what that makes Shadows of Cthulhu is a cousin to the d20 Cthulhu, but do not let that put you off this new interpretation of Lovecraftian and investigative horror. The True20 incarnation of …of Cthulhu investigative horror is a combination of the d20 System’s muscularity and the poise and polish of True20 Adventure Roleplaying.

The most important thing about True20 is that you only roll one die type -- the twenty-sided die. Not just rolled to hit in combat, but skill checks, and saves, the latter including characters having to roll against an attack in order to block, dodge, or parry it. Which replaces the Armour Class rules of Dungeons & Dragons. Also gone are Hit Points, replaced by damage status, which simply indicates how badly you failed the damage save. The core game only has three classes, each of which concentrates upon one area -- Adept (magic or psionics), Expert (skills), and Warrior (combat). Each provides a range of skills and feats from which a player is free to choose, and between levels a character can switch between classes as freely as he wants. Lastly True20 dumps the standard three to eighteen range for its classic core attributes in favour of the bonuses levels in those attributes would give. So instead of Intelligence 18, which gives a +4 bonus, a character would have Intelligence +4.

Shadows of Cthulhu is firmly set in …of Cthulhu investigative horror’s classic period of the 1920s -- though an inventive Keeper or GM could take it elsewhere. Which is relatively easy given True20’s generic nature. So its background, both historical and outré will be familiar to most people interested in it, and the book gives you much of it anyway. Some readers will find it odd to see classic Mythos entities summed up as say, for example, a 34th Level Outsider as Cthulhu is, compared to Nyarlathotep and Shub-Niggurath, who have no statistics whatsoever. Which is odd, but this is very much in keeping with what is still a class and level game, although a far more flexible one than its forebears. Then again, just take the stats as pointers rather than absolutes and never, ever let your players look at them. Some creatures are missing, such as the classic Hound of Tindalos. Nor is this the only thing missing. There is no guide to adapting the Basic Roleplay system of Call of Cthulhu to the True20 system of Shadows of Cthulhu, which is a shame given that this would open up access to all of those classic campaigns and scenarios published by Chaosium. Further, there is no scenario, which is an even bigger shame, given that the fundamental purpose of the scenario in a core book is do a show and tell for the system itself. Instead of the scenario we have a description of the village of Dunwich, which is just not as useful…

So where does the muscularity of Shadows of Cthulhu begin, but with character generation. No dice are needed, points being assigned to attributes, and feats and skills selected freely. In addition to the core trio, Shadows of Cthulhu adds the Academic, the Investigator, and the Reverent classes, which allow the easier creation of character concepts such as Archaeologist, Professor, Journalist, Private Eye, Nun, and Missionary, many of which are integral to classic ...of Cthulhu gaming. Shadows of Cthulhu suggests skills and feats for each of these archetypes and more, including many that use the Expert and Warrior core classes. In addition, where another RPG might give a character a race such as Orc or Trill, Shadows of Cthulhu suggests backgrounds, like Ancient Bloodline, High Society, and Small Town each granting more skills and feats, and adding to a character’s background. Several completed characters are included, ready to play.

The one core class not covered at character creation is that of Adept. It becomes available after 1st Level and this is where Shadows of Cthulhu begins to get interesting. Being an Adept in a standard True20 game gives the character access to various, such as Shadow Shaping or Cure, which he selects as he advances from one level to the next. Here a character needs the proper exposure to a Mythos Trait such as a Mythos Power (and similarly a Mythos Skill or Feat, for example Mythos Knowledge (Technology) and Mythos Familiar respectively), before he can select them during a campaign. And all a Mythos Power really is, is a spell (although the book also discusses how they can be treated as science rather than magic, but then, let us not forget Clarke’s Third Law: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”), many of which will be familiar to long time players of Call of Cthulhu, such as Dimension Gate or Elder Sign. Others though will look like they came from outside of the game and this is certainly the case, their inclusion allowing for a more thaumaturgical game if the Keeper wants it. In order to unlock any one Power, and it usually is only a single power at any one time, a character spends his Awareness points. These are gained for successfully investigating and thwarting Mythos threats, and are only given out a few points at a time, thus preventing the investigators from loading up on magic.

What balances out the inclusion of all of these outré abilities, including Powers -- Mythos and non-Mythos alike, and skills, are two factors. The first is that it takes determination, represented by Conviction points, which every investigator receives, to actually use a Trait. So there is no casual use of any particular Trait. The second is that each trait in its own way is dangerous to the user. Should an investigator decide to use any one of those (hopefully) few that he knows, he risks not just his mental well-being, but also his physical being too. For example, if an investigator needs an Elder Sign, he could suffer Premature Aging in the creation process, whilst using a Power like Second Sight could lead to him acquiring an Anxiety based disorder, such as Obsession or Panic Attacks. All of this requires a Sanity save.

A Sanity save is made, of course, whenever an investigator encounters something unexpected, something gruesome, a Mythos creature or entity, or reads one of the various foul and blasphemous tomes wherein the true nature of the Mythos and thus the universe itself is told. The listings for all of these -- the unexpected, the gruesome, the creatures, the entities, and the tomes suggest possible disorders that can be gained if a Sanity save is failed against them. Indeed, the suggestions for each of these is accompanied by Mythos Traits that can be unlocked after exposure to them. The tomes in particular, list these suggestions chapter by chapter, a very nice touch.

To make a Sanity save the player rolls the die hoping to beat a Difficulty set by the GM, adding his character’s level and Charisma. For example, seeing a Ghoul eat human flesh requires a Sanity save of Difficulty 10. Fail this and the investigator acquires the Cannibalism Disorder, but fail it badly or fail it again, and the disorder stacks, making it more difficult to resist or overcome its effects. A disorder can be overcome through treatment -- some of them are physical, so surgery or other medical care might be needed, or through the expenditure of Awareness points, at a cost one point per level of disorder. This may seem like an artifice, but in a sense it works in the same way that the Sanity rewards at the end of a scenario or campaign in Call of Cthulhu do. An alternative Sanity save system is also included, which has more of an emphasis upon the investigator’s mental state, and whilst more detailed and more in-keeping with True20 Adventure Roleplaying, it loses a little in terms of flavour when compared to the more interesting disorder rules. That said this alternative more clearly models the downward spiral of Sanity loss that we see in Call of Cthulhu despite its lack of flavour.

Physically, Shadows of Cthulhu is a decent looking book, although the artwork may be perhaps unsubtle to some tastes. I will admit that after Trail of Cthulhu, the art here is too brash and too cartoon-like for my tastes. Although the book lacks scenarios, there are plenty of hooks and adversaries given, as well as descriptions of notable locations within Lovecraft’s writings. The latter are not detailed in any great fashion, and a Keeper will have to look elsewhere or develop them himself if he wants more. Advice for the GM is also fairly light, so if a GM is coming to …of Cthulhu investigative horror for the first time through Shadows of Cthulhu, he is not as well served as he could and should have been. Perhaps a scenario would have alleviated is issue.

So the question arises, is Shadows of Cthulhu worth looking at, by either the new player or the old? Putting aside the fact that you do need a copy of True20 Adventure Roleplaying and that you do not get a scenario, then I would suggest that it is. For the one thing that it brings to …of Cthulhu investigative horror is a muscularity that pushes it towards the “Pulpier” end of the purist versus pulp scale of …of Cthulhu investigative horror. Even more so than the Pulp options given in Trail of Cthulhu, and definitely before the release of Chaosium’s very late Pulp Cthulhu. This it inherits from the d20 System origins of True20, and those gamers still missing d20 Cthulhu may well want to look at Shadows of Cthulhu. What they will get is certainly an improvement over d20 Cthulhu, with dedicated methods of handling both the Mythos and Insanity that even the devotees of Call of Cthulhu might want to look at.

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The listings for all of these -- the unexpected, the gruesome, the creatures, the entities, and the tomes suggest possible disorders that can be gained if a Sanity save is failed against them. Indeed, the suggestions for each of these is accompanied by Mythos Traits that can be unlocked after exposure to them. The tomes in particular, list these suggestions chapter by chapter, a very nice touch.
... tycker jag låter väldigt vettig. Recenscenten tycker dock att spelet drar åt det pulpiga hållet. Jag är inte säker på vad jag skulle vilja om jag satte igång med en CoC-omgång. Jag har bara spelat "purist", så jag vet inte hur pulp skulle locka mig.
 
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