Nekromanti Spökerier

[Rymdhamster]

Att det gjort ett ställningstagande ifrågasätter jag inte. Bara att de skulle "veta" något =)

Förlåt om det verkar som att jag mest bara märker ord, det är bara det att en sak som jag ofta stör mig på är att det finns gott om folk som gömmer sig bakom argument som "det finns inga bevis för det där" för att dölja att de egentligen är lika starkt troende och lika ovilliga till att få sin världsbild ändrad som den mest fanatiske kristna/jude/muslim/etc, bara att deras tro går ut på lite andra saker

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[God45]

a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings and aspirations to which he clings because of their super-personal value. It seems to me that what is important is the force of this superpersonal content ... regardless of whether any attempt is made to unite this content with a Divine Being, for otherwise it would not be possible to count Buddha and Spinoza as religious personalities. Accordingly a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation ... In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect. If one conceives of religion and science according to these definitions then a conflict between them appears impossible. For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be

 

[Tomatalven]

a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings and aspirations to which he clings because of their super-personal value. It seems to me that what is important is the force of this superpersonal content ... regardless of whether any attempt is made to unite this content with a Divine Being, for otherwise it would not be possible to count Buddha and Spinoza as religious personalities. Accordingly a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation ... In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect. If one conceives of religion and science according to these definitions then a conflict between them appears impossible. For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be

Medhåll.

 

[Cassius]

a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings and aspirations to which he clings because of their super-personal value. It seems to me that what is important is the force of this superpersonal content ... regardless of whether any attempt is made to unite this content with a Divine Being, for otherwise it would not be possible to count Buddha and Spinoza as religious personalities. Accordingly a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation ... In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect. If one conceives of religion and science according to these definitions then a conflict between them appears impossible. For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be

Fast detta är ju bara innehållslös moralism. Religionen har ju varit fullständigt oförmögen att definiera vad som skall komma, tvärtom är religionen fullständigt upphängd kring vad som är, hur vi genom vårt varande är.

 

[Tomatalven]

a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings and aspirations to which he clings because of their super-personal value. It seems to me that what is important is the force of this superpersonal content ... regardless of whether any attempt is made to unite this content with a Divine Being, for otherwise it would not be possible to count Buddha and Spinoza as religious personalities. Accordingly a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation ... In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect. If one conceives of religion and science according to these definitions then a conflict between them appears impossible. For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be

Fast detta är ju bara innehållslös moralism. Religionen har ju varit fullständigt oförmögen att definiera vad som skall komma, tvärtom är religionen fullständigt upphängd kring vad som är, hur vi genom vårt varande är.

Fast det gäller ganska mkt för buddhismen om jag fattade det rätt.

 

[Cassius]

En fruktansvärd religion vars mest erkända utövare har hundratusentals människor och förslavat ännu fler.

 

[Rymdhamster]

Har religionen gjort det? Och ändå finns de dem som tvivlar

 

[Cassius]

Är det folk som tvivlar på att de finns religion?

 

[Rymdhamster]

De tycks tvivla på det det finns "mystiska krafter", men om en religion på egen hand kan mörda folk och sen förslava dem så känns det ju rätt kraftfullt. Hej, det hade räckt med att den kunna förslava folk utan att mörda dem först för att jag hade blivit imponerad, men nekromanti är coolt. Eller är vi tillbaka på själar igen?

 

[Cassius]

Nöjd?

 

[Rymdhamster]

Ah, du menar så! Jag hade hoppats på nekromantilinjen annars. Men man kan ju inte få allt =)

 

[Tomatalven]

En fruktansvärd religion vars mest erkända utövare har hundratusentals människor och förslavat ännu fler.

Förklara!

 

[God45]

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.

 

[Dante]

Ta det lugnt med retoriken

Visserligen är inte religioner på något sätt immuna mot kritik, men dels är det hyfsat OT i den här diskussionen, och dels uppmuntrar jag en något mer återhållsam retorik.

Det var allt.