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Krille

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Re: ang. att tänka själv

"Varför uppmuntra folk till det? Det är som att säga att om du bara tänker lite så kommer du att komma på svaret själv. Men om man ska följa ditt bokresonemang så borde inte hjärna mindre än universum kunna komma fram till hela svaret, och eftersom våra samlade hjärnor fortfarande är mindre än universum så kommer vi tillsammans heller aldrig att komma fram till hela svaret. Så varför ens bry sig?"

Tadaa!

Ur "The Book of the Die":

Whim admits it
'If we all live under illusions, no matter how hard we try to escape,' asked Whim's brightest disciple, 'then what's the sense of preferring one set of ideas - yours, for exampel - over someone else's?'
'None whatsoever,' Whim replied.
'Then why should I be looking for enlightenment with you?'
'Shhhh,' whispered Whim, glancing nervously over his shoulder. 'Don't let the others hear.'

- Krille
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Largoi

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Re: Bibeln

Kan du definera hur du ser att Gud är en ond gud? För att de resonemanget måste man först definera vad är ont?
sen så kan man ju vara lustig och leka "tänk om"-leken säg att någon "oskyldig" dör i pesten, det är ju ändå rimligt (om nu gud var mäktig nog att skapa en pest som dödar människor) att anta att gud vet vart en människas avkomma bär hän... tänk om en stackars 13 årig flicka som dåg i pesten flera hundra år senare skulle vara skyldig till att ha "fått fram" en hitler som dödade en massa människor... då skulle gud inte se så ond ut...
och sen ska man absolut inte beskylla gud för det kyrkan har gjort i guds namn... jag tror inte att gud är ond (om HAN nu sitter där uppe någonstanns) iofs tror jag varken på gott eller ont...
Men hur som helst jag är inte kristen på något sätt what so ever, jag skulle mer säga att jag tror som jag gör och det passar MIG utmärkt

Jag är nog gud iallafall, när man tänker efter...
 

Ximnipot69

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Utsikt

Eftersom det ända vi har är sinnesintryck och sinnena går att lura, kan vi då lita på att våra upplevelser är sanna? Om intrycken kan simuleras med signaler utifrån, och vi inte vet om det, kommer vi inte då tro att de är sanna?

OK, det blev lite Matrix, men big deal. Huvudvärk är endå värk.

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Rosen

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Re: Bibeln

<I>jag tror inte att gud är ond (om HAN nu sitter där uppe någonstanns)</I>
(snip)
<I>Jag är nog gud iallafall, när man tänker efter...</I>

Då var ju frågan enkel att besvara; sitter du däruppe nånstans, eller gör du det inte? (-:

--
Åke
 

hatten

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Re: Utsikt över Ond GUD OCH JESUS

Tyvär för alla exempel inte plats coh tyvär så är de på engelsk
Genesis
1.God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
2.God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
3.God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
4.Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the
extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savor."
8:20
5.God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God fell better. 15:9-10
6.Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of
angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and
"righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. 19:7-8
7.God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone
from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24
8.God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his
son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13
9.Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the
town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
10."The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." I don't know what the "terror of God" is, but I'll bet
it isn't pleasant. 35:5
11."And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's
wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7
12.After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to" in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his;
and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the
Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many
Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
13.After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When
Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
14.Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body
on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19

Exodus

15.Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
16.God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23
17.God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26
18.God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24
19.The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6
20.The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12
21.God kills all Egyptian cattle with hail. 9:19-20
22.The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast."
9:22-25
23.These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)
24.God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12
25.After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished
"there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the
firstborn cattle, too. 12:29
26.To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all
that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15
27.After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28
28."The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3
29.God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6
30.Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13
31."The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16
32.Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13
33.God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us
for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24
34.A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
35.An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25
36.If an ox goes someone, then both the ox and his owner must die. 21:28-29
37."Thou shalt not suffer a which to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this
verse. 22:18
38."Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just
send them to counseling or something? 22:19
39."He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is
obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20
40.If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24
41."The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
42.God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the
promised land. 23:27
43.Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on
the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8
44.Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood
all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37
45.Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer
each day? 29:36-39
46.Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33
47.Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14
48.God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot." 32:10
49.God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill
"every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28
50.But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35
51.If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20
52.Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3

Leviticus

53.God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God,
judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be
summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a
"sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9
54.Wringing off the heads of pigeons for God. 5:8-9
55.The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and
caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6
56.Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like
to share!) 7:18-27
57.God gives instructions for "wave offerings" and "heave offerings." He says these offerings are to be made perpetually "by
a statute for ever." Have you made your heave offering today? 7:30-36
58.Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he
sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour
before the Lord." 8:14-32
59.More killing, sprinkling of blood, waiving animal parts, and burning carcasses "before the Lord." 9:8-21
60.Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured
them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2
61.If priests misbehave by uncovering their heads or tearing their clothes, then God will kill them and "all the people." 10:6
62.God's treatment for leprosy: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on
the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on
the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb
and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32
63.God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood
around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:6-28
64.If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25
65."Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." I'm not sure what being
"cut off" means exactly, but I bet it isn't any fun. 18:29, 19:8
66.Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. 20:2-5
67."For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9
68.Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10
69."And the man that lieth with his father's wife ... both of them shall be put to death." Which? The man and his father? The
father and his wife? Or the man and his father's wife? Oh heck, just kill all three. 20:11
70.If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12
71.Homosexuals must be executed. 20:13
72.If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of your must be burned to death.
20:14
73.If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16
74.People with "familiar spirits" are to be stoned to death. But how can we be sure that a person's spirit is too familiar? The
good book doesn't say, it just says to kill them. 20:27
75.A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9
76.God gives us more instructions on killing and burning animals. I guess the first nine chapters of Leviticus wasn't enough.
He says we must do this because he really likes the smell -- it is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 22:12-14, 18
77.Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30
78.24:14-23 Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:14-23
79.God tells the Israelites to "chase" their enemies and make them "fall before you by the sword." He figures five of the
Israelites will be able to "chase" a hundred of their enemies, and a hundred will be able to "put ten thousand to flight."
26:7-8
80.God describes torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will
consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your
enemies shall eat it", "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children", and "ye shall eat the flesh
of your sons .. daughters." 26:16-39
81.All "devoted" things (both man and beast) "shall surely be put to death." 27:28-29

Numbers

82.God displays his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51
83.Two of Aaron's suns are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4
84.God repeats his order (see 1:51) to kill any strangers who happen to come near. 3:4
85.Once again (see 1:51 and 3:10) God tells his favorite people to kill any strangers that come near. 3:38
86.Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at uncovered holy
things. 4:15, 4:20
87."And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then
burns the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1
88."And wile the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled
against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these
poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33
89.More plagues and pestilence sent by God. God repeats one of his favorite promises: "your carcasses shall fall in this
wilderness." 14:12, 29, 14:32-37
90.God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the
Lord." 15:3, 13-14, 24
91.The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him.
15:32-36
92.Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God has the ground open up and swallow Korah and his family. And
then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn 250 men (friends of Korah?) to death. 16:20-49
93.After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the
people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in
the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50
94.God threatens to kill those who murmur. To which the people reply, "Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish .... Shall
we be consumed with dying?" 17:12-13
95.According to this verse, it is wise to stay away from holy things and places -- like churches. God will kill you if you get
too close. 18:3
96.God shows us how to make new friends by saying : "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 18:7
97.God describes once again the procedure for ritualistic animal sacrifices. such rituals must be extremely important to God,
since he makes their performance a "statute" and "covenant" forever. Why, then don't Bible-believers perform these
sacrifices anymore? Don't they realize how God must miss the "sweet savour" of burning flesh? Don't they believe God
when he says "forever"? 18:17-19
98.Don't get near holy things or "pollute" them. If you do, God will kill you. 18:22, 32
99.The purification of the unclean. These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God.
He even insists that they are to be "a perpetual statute" to all humankind. 19:1-22
100."And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and
their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3
101.God sends "fiery serpents" to bite his chosen people, and many of them die. 21:6
102.God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing
everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35
103.God's people will kill like a lion and then "drink the blood of the slain." 23:24
104.God, who is as strong as a unicorn, will eat up the nations, break their bones, and then pierce them through with his
arrows. What a guy! 24:8
105.After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to
hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5
106.When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a
spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed
from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9
107.God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17
108.The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10
109."And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any
unusual fires. 26:61
110.In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their
dead bodies smells great to God. Eleven times in these two chapters God says that they are to him a "sweet savour."
111.Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and
children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill
every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women
children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses
(and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow!
[Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins. (31:28-29)] 31:1-54 28-29
112."The revenger of blood" must murder the murderer just as soon as he sees him. 35:19, 21
113.When a murder is committed the blood pollutes the land. The only way to cleanse it is to spill more blood by killing the
killer. 35:33

Deuteronomy

114.God hardens King Sihon's spirit and then kills him and all the men, women, and "little ones" in his kingdom. Dt.2:30-34
115.God delivers Og into Moses' hands, who then kills every man, woman, and child in every city. Dt.3:3-6
116.God tells the Israelites to kill everyone in the lands that that they conquer and to "show no mercy unto them." Dt.7:2
117.Kill any prophets or "dreamers of dreams" if they say or dream the wrong things. Dt.13:1-5
118.Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Dt.13:6-10
119.Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Dt.13:12-16
120.Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Dt.17:2-7
121.Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Dt.17:12-13
122.Kill any false prophets. Dt.18:20
123.Kill all the men and boys in the cities that God "delivers into your hands," but keep the women for yourself. Dt.20:13-15
124.Kill everything that breathes in the cities that God gives you for an inheritance. Dt.20:16
125.Kill rebellious or disobedient sons. Dt.21:18-21
126.Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity. Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death.
Dt.22:13-21
127.Kill adulterers. Dt.22:22
128.Kill rape victims if they fail to cry out loud enough. Dt.22:23-34
129.You must cut off a woman's hand if she touches the "secrets" of a man who is fighting with her husband. "And thine eye
shall not pity her." Dt.25:11-12
130.If you misbehave, God will make you eat your sons and daughters. Dt.28:53, 28:55 28:56-67
131.Don't make God angry or he'll burn or starve you to death. If that fails, he'll have some animals eat you or snakes bite
you. As a last resort he'll kill you with "the sword without, and terror within." He'll "destroy both the young man and the
virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs." Dt.32:23-25
132."I [God] will make mine arrows drunk with blood and my sword shall devour flesh." Dt.32:42
133.Joshua killed "everything that breathed" in each of the cities that he conquered, "as the Lord God of Israel commanded."
Jos.6:21, 8:24-26, 10:28-29, 10:32-33, 10:35, 10:37, 10:38, 10:40, 11:8, 11:11, 11:12, 11:14, 11:21
134.If you happen to see "the accursed thing," don't touch it. If you do, you, your family, and all of your animals must be
burned. Jos.7:1-26
135.God gets right in and fights with the Israelites. He "slew them with a great slaughter" and even "chased them along the
way." What a guy. Jos.10:10
136.God threw down "great stones from heaven" so that he could kill even more people than the Israelites "slew with the
sword." Jos.10:11
137."The Lord fought for Israel." Jos.10:14
138.Cutting off the thumbs and big toes of 71 kings. Jg.1:6-7
139.Ehud's message from God. Jg.3:20-22
140.Jael drives a tent stake through her guest's head. For this she is "blessed above women." Jg.4:17-23, 5:24-26
141.Jephthah sacrifices his daughter to God. Jg.11:29-39
142.The spirit of God comes mightily upon Samson (and he kills things). Jg.14:6, 14:19, 15:14-16
143.Samson catches 300 foxes, ties their tails together, and sets them on fire. Jg.15:4-5
144.Samson kills 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass. Jg.14:15-16
145.The Levite and his concubine. Jg.19:22-30
146.God smites the Philistines with hemorrhoids in their secret parts. 1 Sam.5:9
147.God kills 50,070 men for looking into the ark of the Lord. 1 Sam.6:19
148."I will make a covenant with you, that I may thrust your eyes out." 1 Sam.11:2
149.The spirit of the Lord comes upon Samuel so he hacks some oxen in pieces and sends the pieces to all the coasts of
Israel. 1 Sam.11:7
150.God orders Saul to kill every Amalekite "man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1
Sam.15:3
151.David buys a wife with 200 Philistine foreskins (twice the asking price). 1 Sam.18:25-27
152.Killing those that "pisseth against the wall." 1 Sam.25:22, 26:34
153.David kills all the Amalekites again (see 15:7-8 where Saul kills them all the first time). 1 Sam.27:8-11
154.Smiting "under the fifth rib." 2 Sam.2:23, 3:27, 4:6, 20:10
155.David has his "young men" kill people, cut off their hands and feet, and hang them up over a pool. 2 Sam.4:12
156.Whoever kills the lame and the blind "that are hated of David's soul" shall be made "chief and captain." 2 Sam.5:8
157.Uzzah is killed by God for trying to protect the ark from falling. 2 Sam.6:6
158.To punish David for having Uriah killed, God kills David's newborn son. 2 Sam.12:15, 18
159.David tortures people with saws, axes, and fire. 2 Sam.12:31
160.Hanging dead bodies up "unto the Lord." 2 Sam.21:6, 9
161.God kills a couple hundred thousand people to punish David for having a census. 2 Sam.24:15
162.Solomon kills 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep when dedicating the temple to his bloodthirsty God. 1Kg.8:63
163.God kills everyone "that pisseth against the wall." 1 Kg.14:10, 16:11, 21:21
164.Those that die in the city will be eaten by dogs, while those that die in the country will be eaten by fowls. 1 Kg.14:11,
16:4
165.Killing everything that breathes for a loving God. 1 Kg.15:29
166.Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates. 1 Kg.16:34
167.When many people are needlessly slaughtered, you will know that the Lord is God. 1 Kg.20:28
168.Stoning blasphemers to death. 1 Kg.21:13
169.God's dog food. 1 Kg.21:19, 21:23
170.Elijah proves that he is a man of God by burning to death 102 men. 2 Kg.1:10, 12
171.God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head. 2 Kg.2:23-24
172.Elisha makes his servant (Gehazi) and all of his descendants lepers forever. 2 Kg.5:27
173.God answers Elisha's prayer by smiting his adversaries with blindness. 2 Kg.6:18
174.Mothers boiling and eating their own children. 2 Kg.6:28-29
175.God sends a famine on the people that lasts for seven years. 2 Kg.8:1
176.God has Jezebel thrown off a wall and feeds her body to the dogs. 2 Kg.9:33-37
177.The 70 sons of Ahab are killed and their heads are put in baskets. 2 Kg.10:7-8
178.Jehu shows off his "zeal for the Lord" by murdering everyone in Samaria. 2 Kg.10:16-17
179.God, the divine physician, strikes king Azariah with leprosy. 2 Kg.15:5
180.God sends lions to devour the Samaritans because "they knew not the manner of the God of the land." 2 Kg.17:25-26
181.An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men while they sleep. "And when they arose, behold, they were all dead corpses." 2
Kg.19:35
182.God kills Uzza for trying to keep the ark from falling. 1 Chr.13:9-10
183.David tortures all the inhabitants of several cities with saws, harrows of iron, and axes. 1 Chr.20:3
184.God kills 70,000 men because David had a census. 1 Chr.21:7-14
185.Solomon kills 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep when dedicating the temple. 2 Chr.7:5
186.God kills the king of Israel and helps Abijah kill 500,000 Israelites. 2 Chr.13:15-20
187.In the largest single God-assisted massacre in the bible, Asa kills one million Ethiopians. 2 Chr.14:8-13
188.Whoever does not seek the God of Israel should be executed. 2 Chr.15:13
189.God killed the women and children of Judah and smote the men with an incurable disease of the bowels until their
"bowels fell out." 2 Chr.21:14-19
190.Amaziah, with God's help, kills 10,000 people; another 10,000 he leaves alive so that he can throw them off a cliff and
break them in pieces. 2 Chr.25:11-12
191.God makes Uzziah a leper for burning incense without a license. 2 Chr.26:19-21
192.Pekah kills 120,000 people in one day "because they had forsaken the Lord God of their fathers. 2 Chr.28:6, 8
193.God sends the king of the Chaldees to kill all the "young men with the sword." He had "no compassion upon young man
or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand." 2 Chr.36:16-17
194.Esther has two men hung on a tree. Est.2:23
195.Esther has Hamam hung. Est.7:10
196.Esther has Haman's ten sons hung. Est.9:13
197.God (or Satan) kills Job's children in a windstorm. Job 1:19
198.Satan (or God) smites Job with boils from the "sole of his foot unto his crown." Job 2:7
199.God will hit the heathens with a rod of iron and "dash them in pieces." Ps.2:9
200.God will rain fire and brimstone upon "wicked" people. Ps.11:6
201.The God of Peace teaches us to kill our neighbors in war. Ps.18:34
202.If God doesn't like you, he'll burn you to death. Ps.21:9
203.If you forget God he will tear you in pieces. Ps.50:22
204.If you don't trust God, he'll kill you, and while you're dying the "righteous" will laugh at you. Ps.52:5-6
205."Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth, ... let them be cut pieces." Ps.58:6-8
206."The righteous" will rejoice when they see "the wicked" being dismembered by God. They'll "wash their feet in the blood
of the wicked." Ps.58:10
207.God will "wound the head of his enemies" and the righteous will dip their feet in their blood. Ps.68:21, 23
208.God will "fill the places with dead bodies." Ps.110:6
209.God is praised for slaughtering little babies. Ps.135:8, 136:10
210.Happiness is smashing your little children against rocks. Ps.137:9
211.A prayer that God will burn people to death. Ps.140:10
212.The God of Peace teaches us to kill each other in war. Ps.144:1
213.Beat the hell out of your children. Pr.13:24, 19:18, 22:15, 23:13-14, 29:15
214."The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil; so do stripes the inward parts of the belly." Pr.20:30
215.Beat your slaves just like you do your children. Don't try to correct them with words. Pr.29:19
216.If you mock your father or disobey your mother, the ravens will pick out your eyeballs and feed them to the eagles.
Pr.30:17
217. If you associate or gird yourself God will break you in pieces. Is.8:9
218. God will make every man kill his brother and then force him to eat "the flesh of his own arm." Is.9:19-20
219.If God can find you, he will "thrust you through," smash your children "to pieces" before your eyes, and rape your wife.
Is.13:15-18
220."There stink shall come up out of their carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood." Is.34:2-3
221.God's sword is "filled with blood." He plans to kill so many people that the "land will be soaked with blood." Is.34:5-8


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285.Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. Mt.5:29, 18:8
286.Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old
Testament. Mt.5:17
287.Jesus says that most people are going to hell. Mt.7:13-14
288.Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. Mt.8:32
289.Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and
the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Mt.10:21
290.Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his
preaching. Mt.11:20-24
291. Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be
wailing and gnashing of teeth." Mt.13:41-42, 50
292.Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not
killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death."
Mt.15:4-7
293. Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Mk.5:12-13
294.Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom
and Gomorrah. Mk.6:11
295. Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mk.7:9
296. Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. Mk.9:43
297.Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Mk.11:13
298.Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. Mk.16:16
299.God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel's words. Lk.1:20
300.John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." Lk.3:17
301.Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his
disciples. Lk.10:10-15
302. Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. Lk.12:5
303.All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. Lk.16:17
304."Bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by Jesus] hither, and slay them before me." Lk.19:22-27
305.Those who, for whatever reason, do not believe in Jesus are tormented forever in hell. Jn.3:18
306.Jesus says that the wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. Jn.3:36
307.Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. Jn.15:6
308.God will torture forever those who don't know the password to heaven. Acts 4:12
309.Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their
land. Acts 5:1-10
310.The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." Acts 12:23
311.Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. Acts 13:8-11
312."The wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. Rom.1:18-20
313."He that doubteth is damned ... Whosoever is not of faith is sin." Rom.14:23
314.Those who disagree with Paul's religious views are damned. Gal.1:8-9
315.Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 2 Th.1:7-9
316.Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2 Th.2:8
317.God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2 Th.2:11-12
318.God makes people evil and then condemns them to hell. Jude 4
319.Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don't believe in him. Jude 5
320.God gave power to someone sitting on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." Rev.6:4
321.God gives Death and Hell the task of indiscriminately killing one quarter of the earth's human population with the sword,
starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." Rev.6:8
322.God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women's hair, lion's teeth, and scorpion's tails. They sting people
and hurt them for five months. Rev.9:7-10
323.Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. Rev.9:15-19
324.God will have people killed by fire, plagues, and beasts. There will be dead bodies rotting, unburied everywhere. And
those that are not killed by God (the Christians?) will "rejoice over them [the dead nonchristians?] and make merry, and
shall send gifts to one another." Rev.11:5-10
325.God will send an earthquake that will kill 7000 people. Rev.11:13
326.Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire
and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." Rev.14:10-11
327."The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the
horses bridles." Rev.14:19
328. The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5)
people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightening, earthquake, and hail. Rev.16:1-21
329.The great harlot is described as being "full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication." She has a rather large and
prominent sign on her forehead, will be made "desolate and naked," and her flesh will be eaten and burned with fire.
Rev.17:1-16
330. Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the
winepress of the wrath of God. Rev.19:13-15
331. An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon dead human bodies, or as the angel calls it "the supper of the great God."
Rev.19:17-18
332.The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "An all the
fowls were filled with their flesh." Rev.19:20-21
333.God will send fire from heaven to devour people. Rev.20:9-10
334.Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20:15
335.Those who are fearful or unbelieving will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." Rev.21:8

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Hmm....

Det var intressant läsning, hatten. Var hittade du allt detta?

BTW långa inlägg och engelska är inga problem.

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Uff!

Jag orkade INTE läsa allt det där! Men jag fastnade för den här raden:

51.David buys a wife with 200 Philistine foreskins (twice the asking price). 1 Sam.18:25-27

Hehehe.. SJUKT!



/RIKTIG Coolhet kommer från harmoni..
Och jag är cool! /images/icons/cool.gif
Var harmoniskaaaa..
 

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Re: Uff!

<I>51.David buys a wife with 200 Philistine foreskins (twice the asking price). 1 Sam.18:25-27
Hehehe.. SJUKT!</I>

Fienders förhudar var hårdvaluta på GT:s tid - och klart ballare än att ta skalper. (-:
Fast det vete faen hur man kan veta om det är förhudar från <I>filistéer</I> eller inte...

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Re: Hmm....

Enklare att gå till denna sida än att själv försöka komma ihåg VART i bibeln och EXAKT hur de formulerade siana missdåd..
<A HREF="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/" target="_new">http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/</A> Det jag gillar bäst är motsägningara i bibeln när texter från bibeln mosäger sig själv DET finns en särskild avdelning just för sådana exempel. *skrattar* snacka om att gud gillar att ändra regler och sätt att uppträda...

Jag avslutar med exempel på orätvisor som gud och grabben Jesus gjort enligt biblen..

A Christian cannot be accused of any wrongdoing. Rom.8:33
Jeep jesus egna ord vilket kan försvara mycket ont som kristna har gjort för vad de än gör så gör de rätt i guds ögon eller HUR

Genesis 6.The "just and righteous" Noah (6:9, 7:1) plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition. When Noah sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" (what did he do besides look at him?), he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he [Canaan] be unto his brethren." 9:20-25

Exodus
42.God sets down the rules regarding Hebrew slaves. You can buy one, but you must set him free on the seventh year. But if you have "given" him a wife and she bears children, then you get to keep the wife and kids. If he refuses to leave his family when his seven years are up, then bore a hole though his ear and keep him forever. (That sounds fair!) 21:2-6

Dessa små citat är används för att försvara slavhandeln och Apharteitd som ni kanske känner till..

11.Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. 19:8

Deuteronomy
145.Kill rape victims if they fail to cry out loud enough. Dt.22:23-34
146.A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. Dt.22:28-29
147.A bastard can't attend church "even to his tenth generation." Dt.23:2

Jeeep det är moraliskt att själv vara feg och rädda sina gäster genom att låta folk våldta sina döttrar.. DET det Kristna sättet att göra saker.. ( till er tjejer JAG är EJ kristen ochtycker våldtäckt är fel, Men inte bibeln )

Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Mk.11:13
Lustigt är allt jag säger Mad jesus symtomen eller ?

369.Jesus calls his critics fools, thus making himself, by his own standards (Mt.5:22), worthy of "hell fire." Lk.11:40
370.Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. Lk.12:5
371.Jesus says that his disciples must hate their families (mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, children) and themselves. Lk.14:26

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Re: Utsikt över Ond JESUS

Orkar inte fösvara allt i bibeln, men jag kan säga lite.
Gud kan väl också ändra sig? Tänk om han insåg själv att han ett sätt han visade sig själv på (lagstiftande och skoningslös) inte var så bra, för människor blev inte bättre för det, och ville ändra sig och bli mer kärkleksfull. Om man är allsmäktig måste man kunna vara mäktig att ändra sig eller? Och dessutom är det inte upp till oss att avgöra vad som är rätt och fel, det ansvaret är Guds allena, och oavsett om vi tycker att hans handlingar är rätt eller fel så spelar det ingen roll, eftersom det är han som bestämmer det. Och människor gör väldigt ofta fel. Människor skriver fel, människor handlar fel. Mycket i Bibeln, som orättvisor mot kvinnor är inspirerat av det sammhälle människorna förr levde i. Koncentrera er på vad Gud och Jesus verkligen sa, inte vad människorna som följer dem gör. Och Gud ser troligtvis inte på djur på samma sätt som veganer. Människorna är gjorde till guds avbild det är inte djuren. Således är det inte skillnad på en hunds rättigheter och en stens.

Jag säger inte att jag tror att allt kristendomen säger är helt rätt. Jag tror att man inte kan veta vem som har rätt, och att det definitiv inte går att bevisa. Så därför ska vi låta folk tro vad de vill, tills vi har kommit på ett säkert sätt att avgöra vad som är rätt/fel.

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Re: Utsikt över Ond JESUS

<I>Om man är allsmäktig måste man kunna vara mäktig att ändra sig eller?</I>

Om man är allsmäktig <I>borde</I> man vara kapabel att veta vad som är rätt och fel från början. Har man såna förutsättningar i ryggen och ändå håller på och jiddrar så är man en klant.

<I>Och dessutom är det inte upp till oss att avgöra vad som är rätt och fel, det ansvaret är Guds allena,</I>

Då skulle han vetat bättre än att ge oss en fri vilja från början. Att säga "nu kan ni bilda er en åsikt själva... men det är ändå vad jag tycker som gäller!" är direkt osympatiskt.

<I>och oavsett om vi tycker att hans handlingar är rätt eller fel så spelar det ingen roll, eftersom det är han som bestämmer det.</I>

Som jag sa...

<I>Koncentrera er på vad Gud och Jesus verkligen sa,</I>

Hattens inlägg från Skeptics' Annotated Bible innehöll ett antal direkta citat från dem två.

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Re: GUDS ORD

<blockquote><font size=1>I svar till:</font><hr><p>Koncentrera er på vad Gud och Jesus verkligen sa, inte vad människorna som följer dem gör.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Aa men problemet är att gud gör onda saker han säger emot sig själv och tar med ena handen och ger med den andra.
Sen hans så kallade "profeter" ska vara män som har högre moral och är renare än andra mäniskor det är något som faktist står i bibeln de ÄR utvalda av gud för att gud har funnit glädje i dom..SÅ om de gör dumt är det för att gud anser att de gör rätt.. ( resultat tolkning ut av vad som står om profeterna som representerar gud, "gör som jag säger inte som jag gör" eller.. )

7.God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

En syn på VILKA gud anser som rättfärdiga.. och Lott är EN snubbe som låter en folkmassa våldta sina döttrar..

After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to" in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

Med andra ORD onanera aldrig gud kommer dräpa dig då

God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26
God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25
God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27
God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28
But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:3
Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3

Jesus mistag och grymmheter får jag tyvär inte plats med MEN lite på mig DE är MÅNGA MÅNGA..
både jesus och "gud" måste helt klart haft en psykopatisk mördares sociala förmågor..

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"Har du kommit på det själv, eller är det från en bok, och isåfall vilken?"

Jag uttryckte något liknande när jag pratade med en kasse mormoner för ett par år sedan (himla trevligt folk, för övrigt), men citatet kommer från "The Book of the Die" av Luke Rhinehart. En mycket tänkvärd bok, för övrigt,

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Re: Utsikt över Ond JESUS

Då kanske gud är en osympatisk klant då, jag har själv ofta funderat över det/images/icons/smile.gif. Men fri vilja handlar om att välja, inte att bestämma. Vi får oss sagt vad som är rätt och fel, och vi får sedan välja att göra vad vi vill.
 

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Re: Frågor...

nummer 3... kan bevisa en total avsaknad på moral... jag är det levande beviset =)

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Re: Utsikt över Ond JESUS

Tänkte bara kommentera ditt inlägg om att Gud har rätt att ändra åsikt.

Gud är, enligt de flesta religiösa, absolut god och helt perfekt utan fel. Och det är nödvändigt, för om han inte var det skulle han inte kunna existera (eftersom om han inte existerade så skulle han ju inte vara perfekt).

Och en följd av det här är att han heller inte kan ändra åsikt. För om han ändrade åsikt skulle ju det betyda att han hade fel tidigare, och om han hade fel så skulle han inte vara perfekt, och en följd av DET skulle vara att han inte skulle existera.

Ett annat argument är att "Gud existerar i allt". Men om Gud existerar i allt betyder det att Gud finns i oss, och att vi är en del i Gud. Men eftersom vi inte är perfekta betyder det att det också måste finnas en del "icke-Gud" i oss. Och det betyder att Gud inte finns i allt, och därmed kan han inte ha skapat världen, åtminstone inte hela.

Jaja, bara en liten kommentar. Det går inte att bevisa att Gud varken finns eller att han inte finns. Men hela tanken med religion bygger på TRO. Problemet är det här:

Om vi säger att det finns en chans att himlen och Gud existerar. Om man då trodde på det och kom till himlen efter döden skulle det vara oändligt bra, i jämförelse med om man inte trodde på det och kom till ett varmare ställe. Så långt skulle i stort sett alla gå med på att bli kristna är en riktigt bra sak. Men med tanke på hur många religioner det finns, hur mycket de skiljer sig åt, och hur alla religionerna på något konstigt sätt är väldigt anpassade till just dem som är med i religionen så faller den teorin. Eftersom det finns i stort sett oändligt många religioner (alla har ju sin egen trosuppfattning) så är det en lika oändligt liten chans att just den man själv tror på är den rätta.
 

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"Med andra ORD onanera aldrig gud kommer dräpa dig då"

det stämmer inte.... har gjort intensivt experimenterande på det området...

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Re: Uff!

tja.... de kan ju knappast vara från judar... såvida de inte nyligen konverterade...

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