Eon I think my translated pdfs are ready for printing
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Well, everything belongs to helmgast, I have “only” translated the text and formated the pdf so that it looks like the original. I guess, since I own the original pdfs there is no problem that I print the translated versions.
Whether I can share this with others, I don’t know. May be if this other person has proof of owning the original pdf, helmgast would allow it.
zo0ok
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You can generally do that for your own private use.
I was curious if there was some permission/license with Eon, or that you had obtained, to do more than private use.
I scanned and "restored" my old Titan Games D&D books a few years ago.
And printed them (peecho.com) with hard cover for my own use. Very nice.
It was much work, and the (C) situation around old D&D is obviously such, that I can not legally share copies of what I did.
Ymir
Blivande Stockholmshipster
Coolt! Men "Fiat Flamma" borde nog inte översättas till "Fiat Flame", eftersom både "fiat" och "flamma" är latin.
en.wiktionary.org
flamma - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
en.wiktionary.org
Thanks for the tip.Coolt! Men "Fiat Flamma" borde nog inte översättas till "Fiat Flame", eftersom både "fiat" och "flamma" är latin.
flamma - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
I am sure the books are full of this sort of mistakes and more.
Rickard
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But you did share it with the printer shop, so you broke the law. You're allowed to reproduce it yourself, but it has to be you that reproduces it, not a second part (well, someone can copy it for you, but you understand what I mean).
Not that I ever cared about it, but it's good to know the law.
Never heard of that, but ok. I’ll make sure the printer deletes all files after printing.
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Yes… strictly speaking, in Sweden, ”exemplarframställning” is not even allowed for private use (as it used to be). That is crazy!
I have not leaked anything confidential - I have not in any way given the ”printer” the right to make more copies - so I doubt my crime is much bigger then creating the few copies I made for myseld. In that case, in Sweden, I believe I could be asked/forced to pay for those private copies I made, which I am fine with ( @Oldtimer - how much do you want and where do I pay).
I feel Titan Games D&D is a cultural heritage.
I think it is a shame that copyright law is such that this ”work of art” can not be reproduced for private/non-profit purposes, despite it has not been for sale for 30 years or more.
The purpose of (C) law was to ensure creators can get paid for their work in the first place - for benefit of the common good - more creative works in our culture. Not to restrict the spread/distrubution of content that the (C)-holder does not want or care to sell.
I would welcome to be sued over my few restored copies and explain my position in court.
Minimoni
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I have no idea how these kind of laws work, but I cannot imagine Oldtimer would like you to pay money for something like this.
Oldtimer
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I'm happy as it is, but TSR demanded £1,80 for each box produced, so... do you need their bank account? 
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It would be hilarous to pay that to Wizards!I'm happy as it is, but TSR demanded £1,80 for each box produced, so... do you need their bank account?
That would probably cost them a bit to handle.
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Disclaimers..
1) I understand my (C) discussion MAY seem off topic (and in that case I apologize)
2) I think it is a very nice thing to do, to translate or otherwise work, with existing products. It is a pity (C)-laws come in the way for culture.
3) I may not remember everything correctly....
A few years ago Swedish author Aron Flam published a book with the title "en svensk tiger" and "the" corresponding picture on the front.
sv.wikipedia.org
Beredskapsmuseet, holder of (C) to the picture, sued / protested (in lack of an exact translation).
Initially, the police confiscated all copies of the book, for suspected (C) infringement.
When the trial eventually started, Beredskapsmuseet demanded compensations/reparations (in lack of exact translation), but failed to prove that they had suffered any financial losses. As I remember, they did not even attempt to present any financial losses. As I remember, they just did not want Aron Flam to use the title/picture at all.
Producing copies (exemplarframställning) of existing books is not completely legal. But it would be interesting to see / know to what extent it is punishable to (perhaps rework and) distribute copies, not for profit, of books that are out of print (but valuable, significant).
I parallell here is retro computer games. It is today possible to download (legally and for free) emulators for old game consoles (like Playstation 1). It is also possible to download games (for free, but perhaps not entirely legal) that are no longer sold, for those game systems that are also no longer sold. From a cultural and educational perspective, I think this is great. Everybody should have the right to try to play Defender of the Crown, or North and South, just as everyone has the right to read Tolkien or watch Sjunde Inseglet. Even if Defender of the Crown is not sold anymore.
I apologize again, especially to @Yahuna and the moderators, If I have crossed the line derailed this thread in an unwelcome way.
1) I understand my (C) discussion MAY seem off topic (and in that case I apologize)
2) I think it is a very nice thing to do, to translate or otherwise work, with existing products. It is a pity (C)-laws come in the way for culture.
3) I may not remember everything correctly....
A few years ago Swedish author Aron Flam published a book with the title "en svensk tiger" and "the" corresponding picture on the front.
En svensk tiger – Wikipedia
sv.wikipedia.org
Beredskapsmuseet, holder of (C) to the picture, sued / protested (in lack of an exact translation).
Initially, the police confiscated all copies of the book, for suspected (C) infringement.
When the trial eventually started, Beredskapsmuseet demanded compensations/reparations (in lack of exact translation), but failed to prove that they had suffered any financial losses. As I remember, they did not even attempt to present any financial losses. As I remember, they just did not want Aron Flam to use the title/picture at all.
Producing copies (exemplarframställning) of existing books is not completely legal. But it would be interesting to see / know to what extent it is punishable to (perhaps rework and) distribute copies, not for profit, of books that are out of print (but valuable, significant).
I parallell here is retro computer games. It is today possible to download (legally and for free) emulators for old game consoles (like Playstation 1). It is also possible to download games (for free, but perhaps not entirely legal) that are no longer sold, for those game systems that are also no longer sold. From a cultural and educational perspective, I think this is great. Everybody should have the right to try to play Defender of the Crown, or North and South, just as everyone has the right to read Tolkien or watch Sjunde Inseglet. Even if Defender of the Crown is not sold anymore.
I apologize again, especially to @Yahuna and the moderators, If I have crossed the line derailed this thread in an unwelcome way.
No worries mate!